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	<title>Comments on: I hate the 24-70/2.8</title>
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		<title>By: Ed Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich,
    I love the 50/1.8 as well, and the 35L is simply a spectacular lens (haven&#039;t used the 24L).  On your xsi it will be approximately a &quot;normal&quot; b/c of the crop factor, but oh what a normal :-) Hey if it was good enough for Cartier-Bresson, it&#039;s good enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,<br />
    I love the 50/1.8 as well, and the 35L is simply a spectacular lens (haven&#8217;t used the 24L).  On your xsi it will be approximately a &#8220;normal&#8221; b/c of the crop factor, but oh what a normal <img src='http://www.f1point0.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hey if it was good enough for Cartier-Bresson, it&#8217;s good enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a new Canon xsi a few months ago and was trying to decide which expensive zoom lens I was going to get as an everyday walkaround.  
But my wonderful wife bought me a 50mm f/1.8 lens for Christmas, and now I think I might be on the prime lens bandwagon.  I love the simplicity, low weight, and especially the small size of the prime lens.  So now I&#039;m thinking my next lens might actually be a 24mm or 35mm L for a more versatile focal length, and keep the kit lens for a while longer when I need the zoom range.  
Thanks for the insightful post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a new Canon xsi a few months ago and was trying to decide which expensive zoom lens I was going to get as an everyday walkaround.<br />
But my wonderful wife bought me a 50mm f/1.8 lens for Christmas, and now I think I might be on the prime lens bandwagon.  I love the simplicity, low weight, and especially the small size of the prime lens.  So now I&#8217;m thinking my next lens might actually be a 24mm or 35mm L for a more versatile focal length, and keep the kit lens for a while longer when I need the zoom range.<br />
Thanks for the insightful post!</p>
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		<title>By: MarcoTogni.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarcoTogni.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I have read the title I though &quot;he&#039;s crazy&quot; but after reading, I can say that you wrote exactly what I think about lenses.
Unfortunately many people who I know doesn&#039;t think the same of me and so I am often the black sheep.
Nice post, congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I have read the title I though &#8220;he&#8217;s crazy&#8221; but after reading, I can say that you wrote exactly what I think about lenses.<br />
Unfortunately many people who I know doesn&#8217;t think the same of me and so I am often the black sheep.<br />
Nice post, congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, you guys are missing the point slightly. I was in a similar position to what is described above - got a bit of cash to burn on getting a better lens, but went for 2.8L over 4L for exactly the same reason.

You can bump up the ISO whenever you need to work in lower light, so don&#039;t need IS, but you can never get a 2.8&#039;s bokeh on an F4 lens.

I agree that 24-105 F4 with an 50 F1.4 for whenever bokeh is needed would be better still, but sometimes jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none is simpler... In summary: each to their own :)

Let the flames begin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, you guys are missing the point slightly. I was in a similar position to what is described above &#8211; got a bit of cash to burn on getting a better lens, but went for 2.8L over 4L for exactly the same reason.</p>
<p>You can bump up the ISO whenever you need to work in lower light, so don&#8217;t need IS, but you can never get a 2.8&#8242;s bokeh on an F4 lens.</p>
<p>I agree that 24-105 F4 with an 50 F1.4 for whenever bokeh is needed would be better still, but sometimes jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none is simpler&#8230; In summary: each to their own <img src='http://www.f1point0.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let the flames begin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preaching to the choir on this one!

My EF 24-70mm f/2.8L is gathering dust at this point. The only body it seems to be used on anymore is my old EOS 1N.

I mainly use my primes and am planning to upgrade two of them to L primes in the coming year. I may keep the zoom around for certain types of events, but I&#039;m also strongly considering just selling it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preaching to the choir on this one!</p>
<p>My EF 24-70mm f/2.8L is gathering dust at this point. The only body it seems to be used on anymore is my old EOS 1N.</p>
<p>I mainly use my primes and am planning to upgrade two of them to L primes in the coming year. I may keep the zoom around for certain types of events, but I&#8217;m also strongly considering just selling it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I shoot mostly landscape and nature work I agree completely. In the field I&#039;d rather carry an f/4L over the huge f/2.8L&#039;s any day. For example, the 70-200mm f/4L versus the 70-200mm f/2.8L lens. The f/4L is one third smaller and lighter and less than 1/2 the price. It&#039;s the same in telephoto primes. The 300mm f/4L IS is much much smaller and lighter than it&#039;s cousin the 300 f/2.8L IS.

For me, image stabilization offers a much better bang for the buck and when I really need low light coverage I just set the ISO to 800, 1600 or 3200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I shoot mostly landscape and nature work I agree completely. In the field I&#8217;d rather carry an f/4L over the huge f/2.8L&#8217;s any day. For example, the 70-200mm f/4L versus the 70-200mm f/2.8L lens. The f/4L is one third smaller and lighter and less than 1/2 the price. It&#8217;s the same in telephoto primes. The 300mm f/4L IS is much much smaller and lighter than it&#8217;s cousin the 300 f/2.8L IS.</p>
<p>For me, image stabilization offers a much better bang for the buck and when I really need low light coverage I just set the ISO to 800, 1600 or 3200.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well let&#039;s be honest.  Those who know, know that prime lenses are just better.  Better quality, better images.  I&#039;m not exactly a gearhead, but I know this for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well let&#8217;s be honest.  Those who know, know that prime lenses are just better.  Better quality, better images.  I&#8217;m not exactly a gearhead, but I know this for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you&#039;re on APS-C (majority of enthusiast shooters), the 17-55 makes a lot more sense IMHO. It&#039;s much wider, and also comes equipped with IS. It&#039;s functionally much more useful than a 24-70.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you&#8217;re on APS-C (majority of enthusiast shooters), the 17-55 makes a lot more sense IMHO. It&#8217;s much wider, and also comes equipped with IS. It&#8217;s functionally much more useful than a 24-70.</p>
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		<title>By: He hates the 24-70 f/2.8 lens! &#124; Ben's Photography Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>He hates the 24-70 f/2.8 lens! &#124; Ben's Photography Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it is the &#8220;brick&#8221; how could one hate it! Read why Ed over at f/1.0 hates the 24-70 here then come [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it is the &#8220;brick&#8221; how could one hate it! Read why Ed over at f/1.0 hates the 24-70 here then come [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias Wassermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthias Wassermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use my 35/2 most. Thic lens gives me all I need. It brother is the 85/1,8. These have never failed me! When I have time and can walk around for better perspective etc. these two lenses will work for me!

I am buying a fast 28-70 for my concert and event photgraphy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use my 35/2 most. Thic lens gives me all I need. It brother is the 85/1,8. These have never failed me! When I have time and can walk around for better perspective etc. these two lenses will work for me!</p>
<p>I am buying a fast 28-70 for my concert and event photgraphy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Auer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Auer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this one.  I may even be more biased toward the primes than you.

For my digital, I typically use my 50/1.4 or 105/2.8 (I absolutely love these two lenses).  The only zoom I use anymore is the 10-20/4-5.6 -- sure it&#039;s pretty slow, but the difference between 10mm and 20mm is pretty huge and I like that flexibility (plus I can get some cool distortions at the 10mm end).  I also have an 18-200 zoom that I used when I first got a dSLR, but I haven&#039;t used that lens for well over a year now.

On my film SLR, I lean more toward my 135/2.8 but I also use my 50/1.4.  I have a 70-200 zoom, but I&#039;ve only used it a couple of times.  The rest of my film cameras are all fixed focal length (and fixed lens), so there&#039;s not much of a choice there.

I&#039;d say that the 50/1.4 is probably one of the best lenses to own.  Like you said, just take a couple of steps forward or back and you&#039;ve got a decent &quot;zoom&quot; capability.  The longer lenses are nice to have, but they&#039;re more limiting in what you can capture and you have to take a lot more steps to get the &quot;zoom&quot;.

One thing to consider though, with the faster zoom lens vs the slower zoom lens -- even if it&#039;s just one stop faster, that&#039;s letting in twice as much light for your autofocus to utilize.  Slower lenses have a hard time focusing in low-light conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one.  I may even be more biased toward the primes than you.</p>
<p>For my digital, I typically use my 50/1.4 or 105/2.8 (I absolutely love these two lenses).  The only zoom I use anymore is the 10-20/4-5.6 &#8212; sure it&#8217;s pretty slow, but the difference between 10mm and 20mm is pretty huge and I like that flexibility (plus I can get some cool distortions at the 10mm end).  I also have an 18-200 zoom that I used when I first got a dSLR, but I haven&#8217;t used that lens for well over a year now.</p>
<p>On my film SLR, I lean more toward my 135/2.8 but I also use my 50/1.4.  I have a 70-200 zoom, but I&#8217;ve only used it a couple of times.  The rest of my film cameras are all fixed focal length (and fixed lens), so there&#8217;s not much of a choice there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the 50/1.4 is probably one of the best lenses to own.  Like you said, just take a couple of steps forward or back and you&#8217;ve got a decent &#8220;zoom&#8221; capability.  The longer lenses are nice to have, but they&#8217;re more limiting in what you can capture and you have to take a lot more steps to get the &#8220;zoom&#8221;.</p>
<p>One thing to consider though, with the faster zoom lens vs the slower zoom lens &#8212; even if it&#8217;s just one stop faster, that&#8217;s letting in twice as much light for your autofocus to utilize.  Slower lenses have a hard time focusing in low-light conditions.</p>
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